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The comment section on Danni's post is the reason that certain Free Software communities look like this. (Three cheers to the one woman that they got to stand in front.)

I agree with Michael Meeks that policies like GUADEC's should be explicit in saying what behaviors are prohibited. Because when "freedom of expression" is considered a sacred right, at all times and in all contexts (not just when it involves government censorship), you boil your community down to a very specific group, which just happens to be the one with the fewest PTSD triggers and the most privilege to ignore or walk away from potentially hurtful situations.

Then you end up having to do huge and expensive initiatives to get anyone from the other half of the world's population to even want to show up, and when they arrive they get treated to ablist insults and ignorant rehashings of old arguments, just for pointing out the need for policies against harassment. Because while nobody thinks they're a jerk, everyone's used to an environment that's hostile to women and LGBT people, and literally doesn't know how their words and actions help to create that environment. Sort of like how just because you think that your code will compile, it doesn't mean that it actually will, especially when you're working with a language and processor architecture that you're not used to.

This then has the side effect of people in that group not having any idea what it's like to be genuinely discouraged about trying to become part of that group, or how their behaviours affect others. Which is why discussions which feminists, allies, and others have already had many times and worked out best practices for have to be thrown away and rebuilt in ignorance, instead of actually building on their code base and finding ways to reach out and be even more inclusive of even more potential contributors.

(As an aside, that's why the JavaScript developer docs are the project I care most about. Because I personally need them in order to write GNOME apps, and I can only imagine how many others there are out there who'd be doing so right now if they had any idea how or where to get started.)

No one here wants to be jerks. We all want our code to compile, and our words to be well-received and cause actual discussion instead of PTSD triggers. With that in mind, here are the "developer docs" for that:

Finally, a word about "political correctness."

I once heard that any time you hear the word "drama" being used to trivialize interpersonal conflict, you should substitute the word "conflict" in your head and see if it still seems so silly. Let's try replacing the phrase "political correctness" with "giving a crap about others" and see what happens.

Date: 2012-06-20 08:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redsixwing
Y'know, someone chewed me out over Twitter a while back for being annoyed about "brogrammers" being awful about women in my office.

I will quit fussing about brogrammers when they stop being awful about women.

Loving your developer docs on basic human interaction. :)

Date: 2012-06-21 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mfb
Holy hell, 'brogrammers' is a thing now?

I hate the world.

Date: 2012-06-21 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mfb
[...] When "freedom of expression" is considered a sacred right, at all times and in all contexts (not just when it involves government censorship), you boil your community down to a very specific group, which just happens to be the one with the fewest PTSD triggers and the most privilege to ignore or walk away from potentially hurtful situations.


Can we just sort of ... wide-beam broadcast this across the internet? People don't need to know where they read it, or necessarily that they read it at all -- but can we just ... insert it into everybody's brains? Or at least a few particularly odious peoples' brains?

Thanks!

Date: 2012-06-21 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fisxoj.net
I've really been enjoying your writing on planet Gnome! Just wanted to chime in with support! Also, I'm pretty happy with the dialog going on about gender in general, so props to you, Danielle and Michael for making in interesting instead of just sad. The issue of what is free speech and what is verbal attack is a big deal in our time of ever-freer communication. Any number of minority groups are finally getting the chance to discuss how discriminated against they are by societal norms, and I'm hoping it'll make for a world that can discuss things like sex and religions at the dinner table.

I also hope people will stop trying to tell me about Jesus on the subway. I'm really tired of hearing about this Jesus guy all the time. :P

Date: 2012-06-21 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adamwill.id.fedoraproject.org
Political correctness: a handy term which can be used to condemn just about any policy without all the hassle of constructing a logical argument against it.

Date: 2012-06-21 03:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] citrakayah
Finally, a word about "political correctness."

I once heard that any time you hear the word "drama" being used to trivialize interpersonal conflict, you should substitute the word "conflict" in your head and see if it still seems so silly. Let's try replacing the phrase "political correctness" with "giving a crap about others" and see what happens.


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