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It's an enchanting game where you explore a wondrous land ... that has monsters coded as "tribal" and "indigenous" in the way they dress and build dwellings.

You run up and hack them to pieces, then eat them and make their remains into potions and gear.

Don't get me wrong, Zelda games have always had problematic stuff in them. Like the Gerudo. But like, the main "generic enemies" throughout most of the series, the Moblins, are portrayed as fully-sapient professional soldiers. Sometimes silly ones, as in Wind Waker, but soldiers nonetheless, who are part of an occupying army. And who are moral actors capable of making their own choices, like the ones in the original Legend of Zelda who aid Link in secret.

Is no one else bothered by this? ^^;;;; Because it looks like a gorgeous game, but I really can't get past this, and it seems like no one I follow has even noticed. If they talk about the indigenous-coded monsters at all, it's to say how the game lets you kill them in creative ways.

... on the plus side, it did give us shirtless Link.

Date: 2017-03-13 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blackswanseer
the "aimless souls" of Ganon's servants are reincarnated over and over, only to be slain again.

Weirdness always seems to ensue when a game tries to tie the respawning mechanism into the plot. I don't know why they didn't just do a time-based respawn without plot embroidery. As is, it's like...what is even going on here?

Zelda has been in a peculiar spot for a while, straddling the line between a more adventurey game - like the first where there was veeeeery little plot - vs having more plot over time. But the combo raises questions that don't necessarily come up if you're more like most Mario games or more like a more...er, thorough rpg. But it's perched in the middle. And then jn turn, the game doesn't really try to address many of the questions.

I hadn't realized the Yiga reincarnated. Hadn't run into the same one more than once yet. That's interesting.

I was hoping for more nuance with the Yiga story. But no, so far they're just another enemy trying to kill you if you run into them.

I've seen some traveling Gorons, but it was pretty low key. They tell you about where they're from, basic stuff like that. Seems similar to what I recall from TP in attitude.

Which means a lot of them remember you, personally, as someone who promised them the world and then let them down.

Interesting - is that covered in one of the recovered memories? Without having gotten any of those yet, I'd gotten more of a mixed impression. Some are happy to se him, some are angry. For those that are angry, the ones I've seen seem to be angry because their princess was lost because the fight with Ganon went badly. And Link, as one of those who lost the fight, is getting blame. Apparently esp. he was personally known to them and the princess. So it's like, hey 'hero', this wouldn't have happened if you'd beat Ganon. Which, you're the hero, so you were supposed to.

Date: 2017-03-13 04:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redsixwing
I'm pretty sure it was the same Yiga member, anyway. I ran into her in the same place, but she had different lines. (The outcome was the same.)

I've gotten just the one recovered memory, the one in front of the statue. The one that the manta-ray guy points out, reasonably, is extremely convenient for Link?

I got lost did a lot of running around talking to random Zoras before I went into the throne room, and while I didn't keep count, it seemed like the Zoras who were actually happy to see Link were very much in the minority. (Though, the guard who used to swim with him as a child? Adorable. Azorable?)

... and of course Prince Sidon is happy to see you, lol! Should've put that in the first post. It's quite possible that the sense of hostility in Zora's Domain was intended to be counterbalanced by all the ones who are out and about down the river (and up some improbable places), searching for you.
Edited (forgot a thing) Date: 2017-03-13 04:42 pm (UTC)

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